Recorded live at Microsoft Build 2025, this RedMonk Conversation features James Governor speaking with Dr. Nicole Forsgren and Gene Kim about the future of DevOps in the era of AI agents and vibe coding. They explore how generative AI is transforming software development, the evolving role of developers, and the importance of maintaining strong processes, culture, and developer experience as code creation accelerates. The conversation also previews their upcoming books on vibe coding and developer experience.