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Thanks for joining us on another
episode of Commonalities. I'm your host,
Matt Dowling, and my guest today
is Zigman Reichenbach. And,
uh, Zig, why don't you go ahead and, uh,
give a little bit of your background in
a self introduction to the listeners,
uh, that are out there at home.
Hey, good evening, listeners
have commonalities.
My name is Zigmund Reichenbach.
I work as a grassroots engagement
director with Americans for Prosperity.
I'm not here speaking
on behalf of them today,
just speaking here as a
independent commentator and
observer of what's going on
in grassroots politics. So most of you,
a lot of you'll probably see me around
at events or will continue to do so
as we, uh,
well focus on less government and
less taxes broadly professionally,
but also I am a, uh,
political observer as well.
Sure. Well, thank you so much for
making time to be with us, Zig.
I know we have, uh, we have some
big things to discuss this evening,
um, but, you know, grassroots
politics, when we, you know,
just before we get started, when we start
talking about grassroots politics, um,
you know, what, how would you
define that? How would you, uh,
share the meaning of that?
Well, how,
how I would define grassroots
politics is what it is that typical
middle class people like you and I are
most concerned with that often goes
un unarticulated except for at
a handful of meetings or maybe
an op-ed or letter to, to,
that are here and there.
But it's really focusing on what it
is that the majority of people want
with just ordinary individuals that
are seeking to get their voice out,
because that often goes either
overlooked or ignored by politicians
in the GE General Assembly, Congress,
anywhere. So, so that's why,
uh, working in the grassroots and working
with people in the grassroots is so
important, because more often than not,
people in the grassroots are
fundamentally overlooked.
And politicians should, quite frankly,
do do a better job of taking
into account what it is that,
that people actually find important.
You know, and, and I
don't think we can, uh,
ignore the fact that there is a
place in politics for big money
and for lobbying and
for, uh, corporations to,
to get involved in government. But we,
as middle class Americans, as, as, uh,
constituents of the commonwealth, we,
we may not have the same money as,
uh, as other people put into campaigns,
but through grassroots activism,
we can have just as much power.
You know, uh, you know,
I just retired from the State
House and served six years there.
My first campaign, um, there were a lot
of people that thought, you know, Hey,
this young guy, no way he can win
against a tenure incumbent, uh,
with name recognition,
et cetera. And, you know,
it was really getting out and knocking
on doors and meeting with people.
We knocked on over 10,000 doors
in that campaign. And, uh,
there are so many of those same people
that, that I have gotten to know. And,
uh, and really I think that's
what won me the election.
So it's so important for
individuals to get involved in
grassroots campaigning. Now, I
have a couple notes that, uh,
that we made before the show. And,
and I know we want to get to, uh,
some important topics. Uh, you know,
following through a study of political
philosophy at Lycoming College,
great college in the middle
of the Commonwealth, um,
there seemed to be a major
discrepancy between what the founders
promised and what we have now.
Why don't you go ahead and
explain that to us a little bit?
Yeah. And that's,
that's the whole reason why it was that
I chose to get involved because has
somebody who, who was in
the grassroots and, and,
and was a student and was trying to
understand the world around me more
thoroughly,
I came to find out and learn that
all the stuff that I'm being told on,
on the media or the information that I'm
getting from my friends here and there,
that's not what it is that, that
the founders actually promised.
So that's a major reason why I
decided to get involved. For example,
one thing that's important to
note is, but most people are,
are so confused about the distinction
between a Republican democracy,
for example, and be because of that,
because of that conceptual confusion.
Now people are up in arms about things
like the, the, the electoral college,
which actually safeguards
are republic, or they,
or they just don't have
a, a deep understanding or
respect for the constitution,
because heck,
even some people view the constitution
as anti-democratic in some ways.
So I think it's really important
that people have some understanding
of what it is that, uh, the, the
philosophy that the founders had,
so that way they can understand
how it is that people are,
are leadership ought to govern,
right? Because you, you,
you can't understand how people should,
should govern if you
don't have a philosophy or
understanding of what it is that
they're supposed to be governing.
Well,
let me take just a moment to kind of
summarize some of the things you said and
keep me honest with my listeners
here. If I misspeak, don't, you know,
feel free to correct me, but
we're talking about a democracy,
which people normally say, you know,
the United States of
America is a democracy.
We're not a true democracy because
every single decision is not voted
on by every single person who is
within the United States. Instead,
we're a representative republic where, uh,
we elect individuals to make
decisions on our behalf, and,
uh, we have the, uh,
ability to vote them out of office at
any given time at at election time,
uh, if they're not serving the purposes
that we've put them in place to serve.
Um, so do, do I have those
two distinctions? Uh.
There Zig, no, no. That, that ex
distinction is, uh, exactly right. In,
in democracy, people de directly voted
on legislation. It wasn't all people,
actually, people were chosen
randomly to vote in, uh, democracy,
but they did directly voted
on legislation. And the
reason why the founders,
for example, didn't want and didn't
support that was because, well,
for, for one,
just a clear study of history and
seeing how that actually led to the, uh,
destruction of passed great
societies, but also they,
they believe that representatives could
better refine and articulate the views
of individual citizens. So, so
that's, that's one reason, uh, why,
why we have a a, a republic. And that's,
that's one of the, the advantages and,
and, and benefits of having a, uh,
republic because our representatives
are not prone to the same, um,
passions, for example, that
the people could be, um, throw,
thrown into arms about. So it's, it's
really de distinctions like that, that,
uh, in understanding those things,
uh, that's why it was that I chose to,
to get involved so that hopefully we, we
can have more conversations about our,
our republic, how things should govern,
and we could do so with truth
and honesty and in a way
that well perhaps will get us more
closely to what the founders wanted in a
republic.
And, you know, I'm, I'm gonna make
this comment with, um, at the,
for the sake of, uh, clarification,
I don't wanna sound like an elitist
at all, because, you know, I,
I served as a representative
for six years. Um,
but there are many times when if
the average everyday middle class
American was voting on
every piece of legislation,
they may not have all of the, um,
the knowledge they need to make an
educated, informed decision. Um,
I always told people that being a state
representative meant that you had to be
a subject matter expert at absolutely
every subject, because we could go from,
uh, a bill on healthcare reform to, uh,
a bill that is dealing with,
with education in the same day.
And so we had to do our research.
And, and that's why, um, you know,
it's a full-time position, uh,
to be able to do that,
because if you are attending to your
family and working a nine to five job,
you may not have that
same amount of time, uh,
to inform all the decisions that
you need to make. That's right.
The other thing I, I wanted to comment on,
because you mentioned it was
the electoral college, and, uh,
and this is one of my favorite
things to, to debate, but, uh,
for the sake of this episode,
we'll just keep it brief. You know,
the electoral college is important
because if it was not for the electoral
college areas with massive
population would really override
our rural parts of America. And living
in rural southwestern Pennsylvania,
you know, I already see, uh, at
election time, election numbers,
how the County of Philadelphia
and Allegheny County really
lead the Commonwealth. It's almost
like we need an electoral college, uh,
just at the state level to, uh, to
kind of rectify some of those problems.
So I've said my piece for the
electoral college today. Um,
let's get to Constitutionality,
um, yep. The importance of being,
uh, someone who,
who believes in the Constitution
follows the Constitution. Um,
talk to me a little bit about your
thoughts on the Constitution and
constitutionality.
Well, I, I think in a lot
of cases, because pe people
generally f for instance,
don't understand what the founder
set in at the, the, the Federalist,
which was used to justify the
existence of the U United States
Constitution because they were
replacing the articles of Confederation,
because people don't
often understand that,
then they have an o they often
have a warped view of the
Constitution itself, in
part, not only because they,
they don't know about the Federalists,
but they're also choosing to
read something like Marx or, uh,
some other European tw,
20th century thinker that
probably resented, uh,
American greatness. But if,
if people studied political
philosophy, for example, they,
they would understand that
something like the, the,
the Second Amendment and our right to
bear arms isn't just about the right to
bear arms for bearing arms' sake, or
it's not, it's not that way just for fun.
It's that way. Because the
founders study John Locke who said,
Hey, if, if we're living
in a state of nature,
the three things that we're gonna have
basically guaranteed US rights is going
to be life, liberty, and property.
Those are the most reasonable things
that we can ask if we're in a,
a pre society. And so the,
the Second Amendment is just,
uh, constitutionalizing,
if you will, our right to self-defense,
because if we were in a state of
nature before civilization, we would,
we would expect anybody to have
the right to defend themselves.
That's what people would do. So now,
because people don't under
understand that they think, well, we,
we oughta just be able to, to, to
get rid of guns. Well, now, I mean,
people have a inherent
right to self-defense,
and if you get rid of something like
the Second Amendment, for example,
people can't defend themselves.
And that's worse in some ways than living
in a priest civilized society. Right?
Yeah. And, and when you're talking about
the Second Amendment, I don't know if,
uh, if everyone realizes this, I know
a lot of my listeners probably do,
but the Second Amendment, uh,
of the US Constitution protects
your right to keep and bear
arms. Um, but the
Pennsylvania Constitution,
section 21 also talks about, uh,
the right to keep and bare arms, and
it's even actually, that's right,
stronger in its wording than the, uh,
US Constitution saying that
it shall not be questioned.
Um, so you have protections for,
for the Second Amendment
in both of those places.
The First Amendment can't
be ignored either. Uh,
so let's talk just for a moment
or so about the importance of the,
the free speech and, uh,
in the First Amendment.
Yeah, I just, I just think that now be
because people don't understand the,
the, the importance of
free speech and, and,
and they're reading things like
Marks and other po post-Modern
Thinkers, um, then it's really
marginalizing. It's, it's, I,
so we're on, alternatively,
they will only have respect
for the First Amendment,
insofar as it can advance
things like, uh, you,
you had a lot of it radical
causes in the 1960s, for example.
They only respected that the, the,
the First Amendment insofar has,
it could ad advance their
causes. So if, if people were,
were doing a, a, a thorough reading h
the, the, the Federalist, for example,
they would understand that
the First Amendment is,
is important because it actually helps
our balance of power. It helps, uh,
various factions are, are articulate well,
what it is that's going on in, in society.
And so having that there creates a,
a set of checks and balances
and competition between various
factions that's needed according
to our Republican system,
because our, our Republican system
isn't intended, for example,
to create Utopia.
It's intended to balance needs
between various competing
groups.
And that's one of the things that the
First Amendment is fundamentally supposed
to do. In fact,
without having some implicit
understanding of the, the,
the First Amendment,
the founders themselves would've never
been able to establish our republic.
I mean, the whole justification
for our Republic is containing the,
the Federalist, which were
printed in newspapers.
So if that doesn't highlight the
importance of civil discourse and, uh,
conver conversation, I
don't know what does.
Y you know, Zig, we have to get
to our first break here today. Um,
but before we do that, I just wanna
take 30 seconds. We are discussing,
um, kind of our,
our republic as the founders intended it.
And I don't think you can do that
without touching on state's rights over,
uh, you know, the federal government's
rights and responsibilities. So,
just in 30 seconds, give us your point
of view. And also, I want to say this,
I know some of our listeners may
disagree with this conversation. Mm. Um,
because you and I both come from this,
from a conservative point of view,
I think we both sit on the
right side of the owl. Um,
but if someone disagrees, uh,
I would welcome that conversation
on the show as well, uh,
at a future date and
time. So we're not, uh,
we're not saying we're absolutely
correct, but from our point of view,
this is what it looks like.
So let's talk state's rights over
the federal government's rights,
and then we'll go to a quick commercial.
Break. The, the,
the whole reason why the founders thought
that that was important was because
they, they, they assumed
in designing the, the,
the new Constitution that people would
naturally want to know what's most
important in terms of local
politics and, uh, state politics,
because geographically, physically,
that's what's closest to them, and heck,
it's probably what should be closest
to them, uh, because that stops a vast
disagreement. So the, the whole,
the whole justification behind
something like state's rights is that
it allows people who have local
knowledge of the situation to best
participate and solve problems in
a way that, quite frankly, the,
the federal government can't.
And the founders understood that.
Well, and I don't wanna open a
whole can of worms here, uh, and,
and take up the rest of the show
with this topic, but, you know,
we have issues where I think the
federal government oversteps.
And many times during my service,
uh, as a state representative,
I would have constituents ask
me about the legalization of
recreational marijuana or the,
uh, use of medical marijuana.
And of course, here in the
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania,
it's been some time that we've
had recreational, or excuse me,
medical marijuana laws in place.
But the federal drug schedule
still lists marijuana
as, uh, as a classified drug,
and therefore you have issues with gun
ownership and the ATF and, and so forth.
And I think that's one of the areas
where the federal government really, uh,
kind of overstepped. And,
and I think that's one of the conflicts
that comes into place that our
forefathers would've said, Hey,
this is a state's rights issue.
That's right. Yeah. Now, Zig,
that's, that's exactly right.
Zig, we gotta get to our first break.
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I'm your host Matt Dowling, and my
guest today is Zigman Reichenbach.
Uh, Zig, you are here talking
a little bit about, uh,
the way our forefathers set up the
country and what their intentions
were. We're also talking about
grassroots politics. And,
uh, so my question for you is, why
from a grassroots perspective, uh,
finding commonalities in politics is,
or seems to be so difficult?
Well, b big part of the reason why it's
made so difficult is because there's,
there's so much perverse incentive, so,
so many perverse incentives from
folks in the media to in intentionally
create, in, in inflammatory comments and,
and remarks and headlines such
that when people read them,
they think that that's what
their neighbors are like.
I know I talked to a bunch of people
in the grassroots for, for example,
that didn't want to do something
like canvassing because they,
they were afraid of the people that
would come to the door. Now, when,
when you know that there's a
problem when people are afraid
of knocking on the door of
people who are their neighbors,
I mean, if, if, if that's
the case, I mean, it's,
it's a miracle and blessing that
we even have any semblance of,
of society where people even being afraid
of their own neighbors because of the
sens sensationalized media, right?
So the point, uh, that you're
making is that the media, of course,
to drive up ratings for
years has made stories
more sensational,
and they've gone either to the extreme
right or the extreme left of an
an issue. And, uh, therefore
it's, it becomes very polarizing.
Um, but, you know, one of the things
we're trying to do with this show,
and the reason why the
show's name is commonalities,
is we wanna find common
ground, um, with our neighbors,
with our fellows, citizens here of, uh,
of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
and the United States of America. Um,
you know, uh, talk a
little bit more about, um,
the way fear mongering has
happened within our media.
Well, I think ha, having that incentive
to, to to sell newspapers, uh,
discourages people from just
coming together and just,
just talking as they used
to in times past. If,
if you take a look back at
history, for example, the,
the great probably hub, hub democracy,
or even just thinking about rights,
was really in coffee shops when
you had a vast middle class
there and ready to talk to one
another, uh, about politics.
So not only do, do we have fear, fear
mongering in the, the, the media for,
for ratings, we also don't
even have hardly any space to,
to find any common ground
anymore there. I mean, if,
if you go to a coffee shop now
and you try to talk about, uh,
politics with somebody,
they're probably gonna look at you
depending on how local the place is.
But if it's somewhere like a major chain,
they're gonna look at you like you're
absolutely crazy. I know, because I've,
uh, done it before and I've
ran into some trouble. Well,
one time I tried to start up a
conversation with a gentleman that a, uh,
restaurant. And I, I was telling
him, well, what I was doing, how,
how I was canvassing. He told me that he
supported what it was that I was doing,
but then he said he didn't
want to talk about it,
and then he talked about
it for another 15 minutes,
basically rambling to himself. I I
tried to talk about it again, and then,
and then he yelled at me.
So that just indicates the,
the confusion that people have about
politics, the, the internal fear, the,
the, the, the barriers that
exist, there's really just,
just so many barriers and fear and no
common space to find that middle ground
that we're really trying to get to.
You know, our tagline on this show
is, uh, that we talk about politics,
religion, and finances,
everything your grandmother told
you not to talk about with friends.
And my grandmother literally
used to tell me, um, you know,
don't bring up that conversation.
Don't talk about religion,
don't talk about politics,
don't talk about finances.
But those are the, the big
issues that need discussion.
And, you know, u unfortunately,
we have come to a society where
everyone kind of clamors up
when you introduce a topic like
that around the dinner table.
And I think what people forget
is that, that you and I, uh,
could have completely different
ways of solving a problem.
We may even agree on the
problem that we have.
Let's say it's that the education
system is broken. Um, you know,
I think people on the left and on
the right could, uh, agree that,
that that's the case. Um, and
there's my dog in the background. Uh,
but so they could believe that
there is a problem with education.
They go about it by solving it two
different, completely different ways.
And at the end of the day,
we can have a discussion.
We can disagree on how
to solve the problem,
but what's important is that we can
shake hands and break bread and still be
friends afterwards. And, uh, you know,
there were many nights in Harrisburg,
um, you know, where I would go out
to dinner on a specific topic, uh,
with a company or a lobbyist, and then
afterwards I would find myself, uh,
enjoying a cigar or, you know,
having, uh, having a drink at,
uh, at an establishment in downtown.
And many times I was sitting
with the same Democrats that, uh,
on the house floor, we may
have disagreed and ly uh,
debated each other, but we could
come together as individuals,
as people, as human beings at
the end of the day. And, and,
and that's what I'm trying to
address through this podcast. And,
uh, you know, I don't know if you have
any personal experience like that where,
you know, you can completely
disagree with someone, but still, uh,
treat them humanely and still,
uh, be friends with them.
No, no, that's, that's
exactly right. And I,
I think because people don't
know the full extent of all,
all the issues that are covered
in the General assembly,
because they're not aware of them,
they're really not aware of all the
different spaces that they could actually
find, uh, common ground.
Uh, for, for example,
um,
state Senator AR or Haywood is somebody
that I would probably disagree with on a
number of different issues,
but he, he introduced a bill,
and I guess I won't get into the,
to the total details of it unless,
unless you'd like to.
But he, he introduced a,
a bill that I think is, uh,
most sensible when it comes to
criminal justice reform. And I,
I think because people don't know
all the different issues out there
fundamentally, or, or, or they don't
even know what's going on in the,
the general assembly, that
they really miss out on a,
a lot of good opportunities to
find that common ground. It's hard,
it's hard to find common ground if
you don't know the ground exists.
You know, uh, Senator
Art Haywood, uh, he's a,
he's a good man from Philadelphia.
He and I probably would never agree on
ev anything except maybe where to, uh,
where to have lunch or
where to have dinner. Uh,
we did the PCN Colin show
a number of times, uh,
together where we would kind of
spar with each other, and, uh,
and we had differing points
of view. Um, but, you know,
that's another individual where,
you know, at the end of the day,
he's a human being. He's trying to
do the best for his constituents,
even though his ideas, um,
would be very different.
We do have to get to another
break in just about a minute,
but before we do that, you touched on
criminal justice reform. Mm-hmm. And,
uh, and I want to take our
conversation kind of a step further,
and I wanna put some blame on politicians,
and I have the ability to do
that because, uh, you know, I,
I was a politician. I am a
politician. Um, but, you know,
when we campaign, we send out, uh, flyers,
or we create commercials
that have just small news
bites or clips. And I
used to say, you know,
it is amazing that I could
make a vote and I could vote
yes or no, and whether I voted yes or no,
it didn't matter because a negative
mail piece could be construed, uh,
from my vote either way.
And we as politicians have
created a culture where that's
done, and it's this, uh, Mac veian kind
of mentality that everything's good.
Um, let's just say,
because Art Haywood is,
is looking at criminal justice
reform, and he wants to put,
put people that have served their
time back to work and being productive
members of society. But if
I'm running against him,
I'll just say he's soft on crime <laugh>.
So we as politicians have really done
an injustice to the voters in that
regard. Zig, uh, I gotta get to
our next break. When we come back,
we'll be talking a little bit more
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Thanks for staying with us with
commonalities here on w Nmb S five 90
am 1 0 1 0.1 fm. I'm
your host, Matt Dowling.
My guest today is Zigman
Reich Bach. And, uh,
Zig, we were talking a
little bit about, uh,
kind of what the founding fathers had in
mind about some of the problems we have
with a polarized society, um,
and how politics really kind
of just turn some people's
stomachs and turn some people off to
the point to where they don't even wanna
have a conversation with
their neighbors. Um,
but I know you're doing some
work to address these issues.
So tell me a little bit about
what you as an individual, uh,
constituent of the
Commonwealth are doing to, uh,
to try to address these issues.
Well, well, well, one thing that I
just recently started doing is I,
I started doing something similar to
what it is that you're doing here on c
commonalities with the weekly
podcast called Talk, talk Politics.
Every Tuesday at 8:30 PM I have individual
Facebook group where I try to get
a pulse of what it is that
people are talking about,
and then I talk about what's
going on at the national level.
I had some commentary and also
talk about state politics, but the,
the reason why that project
is so important to me and
why I I got involved in it
is because I found that that
often what's going on in the news,
because I had had so so many civil
conversations with great politicians
and great people, was then
they're not providing the,
the analysis that most people
are really looking for. For,
for example, if, if you take
the Russia, Ukraine situation,
um, it seems to be the,
the case that a lot of people in
the media are just saying, well,
this side's good, and this side's
bad, and, and that's not, well, no,
really, there's, there's a lot
more to look into, you know,
in terms of what started the conflict, um,
how long the conflict has been going
on in until we, we understand the,
the history of the conflict,
then we can't understand how to find
a solution if we don't understand the
history. So I, I, I do analysis
on things like that. Um,
and, you know, I, I think
anybody really with,
with the great power we have now to
reach a people, more people should,
should start a podcast. So that way
they can have more of those, um,
those,
those discussions that they would have
at the dinner table online with their
friends and family, right?
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
So other than voting,
what can the normal, uh,
American citizen do, uh, to influence the,
the political sphere out there?
Well, they, they, they
can look to become a,
a influencer that themselves
and try to reach out and
be a leader within their community.
Because what I've found in my study of
history is that there has never been a
single community that has ever had
too many leaders. So they, they,
they can look to, to start
with an influence right
there in their own community.
Uh, also one, what they can do is they,
they can forge relationships
with or on lawmakers or
different lawmakers. You
can walk into the, uh,
general assembly most days and,
and have a civil conversation with
just about an, any, any lawmaker.
In addition to that, you,
you can also start circulating and signing
your own petitions about the issues
that, that you care about. For example,
last year when I was drinking with, uh,
Americans for Prosperity, we,
we did a large petition, uh,
to support the Taxpayer Protection Act,
which limits taxes by limiting how
much the state government can spend.
And you can circulate that
to raise lawmaker awareness.
And I think all those
ways are really important.
It's not voting alone that's gonna
get the issues that most people
care about, uh, across the
finish line. It's, it's being a,
a civil leader and being totally
engaged in the community and,
and finding those commonalities that I
think is the best way to participate.
So, Zig, I know you have
your new radio show, uh,
and you said that it's on
Tuesday evenings at 8:30 PM
uh, or your podcast rather. Yes, sir.
Tell us how we can find that podcast, uh,
and how we can engage
you to learn more, uh,
about what you're doing in Pennsylvania
and your thoughts on the political
sphere.
That's right. So, well,
one way that you can engage is just
simply go to talk politics. There's a,
there's a Facebook group right there that,
that will allow you to interact with
other individuals, expand your network,
so that way you don't feel like you're
alone when you're talking politics.
And you, you can also look at the, the,
the Facebook page on talk politics.
And I do have a YouTube
with a, a particular name.
I'll make sure to send, send you
that, but before the show, um,
is over.
And tho those are the main ways that
I'm engaging people for right now.
I'm looking forward to expanding
that in the future. But hey, if,
if you wanna have a
conversation like what,
what we're having with State
Representative Dowling,
join us on tech Politics.
Well, hey, uh, my guest today has
been Zigman Reichenbach. Uh, Zig,
thank you so much for being with us and
for sharing your thoughts and feelings
with my, uh, my viewers and my
listeners here today on commonalities.
Thank you so much, Zig.
Thank you so much.
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